Re: WWII

From: Neal Wilson (newilson@IX.NETCOM.COM)
Date: Sun Apr 11 1999 - 14:25:40 PDT


Ronald Gillen wrote:
>
> A Cassel wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Any discussion of the use of nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
> > tends to avoid one glaring issue.  The time frame.
> >
> =================snip=======================================
> >
> > Yes, the bomb is a horrible weapon, but is the loss of lives in the two
> > cities better than the cost of the invasion that would have occurred?
> > While the weapons were powerful, the physical damage would have been far
> > less in European cities due to concrete, steel and brick construction,
> > and the effects of radiation were not even a consideration at the time.
>
> =================snip============================================
>
> As horrible as the A bomb was and the civilian casualties that it caused
> at the time it probably saved many more lives on the Allied side
> than it took.
>
> It has been estimated that an invasion of Allied forces onto the
> Japanese Islands homeland would have resulted in one to two million
> casualties
> and have prolonged the war up to two and a half years.
>
> Japanese housewives were prepared to tie kitchen knives to broom handles
> and use them as spears to defend their villages from the invaders.
>
> If the Emperor had not ordered the Japanese to surrender they would have
> fought on indefinitely.
>
> I regret that the planners did not have the vision
> to drop a demonstration A-bomb in a place on Japanese soil that would
> have gotten their instant attention, like Yokohama Harbor and at a cost
> of fewer civilian casualties.
>
> Those Allied advisors that understood the Japanese cultural mentality
> in many instances had difficulty in restraining the military planners
> from performing acts that would have only enraged the Japanese
> population and caused insurmountable problems.
>
> One American Admiral, 'Bull' Halsey, wanted to ride
> the Emperors white horse in the Tokyo
> victory parade, it took an order from General McArthur to stop him.
>
> Others wanted to hang the Emperor, had this happened we would
> probably still be fighting in Japan.
>
> >Air Force planes
> > dropped leaflets on the targeted cities warning the civilian population
> > to leave or face destruction.  They chose not too.  Neither event shows
> > great thought of human values, but isn't war the ultimate failure of
> > diplomacy?
>
> I have been told by more than one resident of Hiroshima that there were
> never any warning leaflets , that if such leaflets were
> dropped they would have been taken very seriously indeed.
> This story may have been for home news consumption
> to offset the horror of having a whole city destroyed and has since
> become an urban legend.
>
> Any comments ???
>
> Regards ..... Ron Gillen
A concern expressed about a "demonstration" bomb was that demonstration
of such a gigantic explosive would have prompted the Japanese to
IMMEDIATELY "dispose" of any remaining POWs, of which there were some
30,000 Americans, I believe.  As it was, some of the Japanese camps took
it upon themselves to eliminate what POWs they had.

Also, there was a very nearly successful plot to kidnap the Emporer
_before_ he made his surrender-order broadcast, in order to keep the
Japanese fighting--a demonstration bomb would have been little more than
useless.

Neal Wilson


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